Saturday, August 16, 2008

Go ahead, you live that stereotype.

Yeah, that's right dickhead, it's a lack of guns that causes fatal shootings.

Jo, as the only Texan I know it's your responsibility to stop these people from breeding.


Anonymous said...

Now, I can't agree with you on this one Matty... If I was living in a country that had huge numbers of guns in circulation (with significant numbers in the hands of criminals), then I'd want one too. The school is reacting to the situation that the government has allowed (encouraged). The school can't get rid of the problem, only react to it.

Now, if you want the *good* solution, then you go to the government and make them get rid of the problem at it's root.

But that isn't going to happen, is it?

And frankly, I don't think that a solution is possible in that country...

MattJ said...

I dunno, I'm more from the 'the more paranoid, untrained people you give guns to in schools, the less safe the kids are' school of thought.

Also I am generally suspicious of anyone who thinks carrying a gun around on a day to day basis when their job doesn't involve a uniform of some description.

That's not to say I approve of gun-toting Macdonald's employees, unless they intend turning those guns on their overmasters.

Jo said...

You seriously don't want to know my opinion in this instance frankly because I am Texan...

Even the liberals in this state have concealed weapons permits!

Jo said...

Now that I've read the story I can see how you might be outraged, but the story did leave one important detail out: Only those licensed to carry a gun by the state will be allowed to have a gun in school. You have to go through a target and safety training course that is very rigorous to get a concealed carry weapons permit in Texas.

Honestly, if we were an island like Britain and weren't abutting two countries over which we have no control, I would think this was a little nuts, too. Unfortunately, we are inundated by a lot of narco-related gangs and crime from Mexico, Central and South America, not to mention a legion of illegal immigrants who have no regard for our laws.

Now, I do object to the law that allows any idiot to carry a gun in their car. That's just asking for a problem!

MattJ said...

Hmmm, I can kind of see where you are coming from but I don't really buy the neighbouring country thing, mainland Europe is awash with neighbouring countries who don't like eachother very much, illegal immigration and all that comes with it but you don't see the same desparate desire for everyone to own a gun.

You're right it is a cultural preception thing, to me the very idea of carrying something around that is specifically designed to kill other people as matter of course is completely alien, but I've not grown up somewhere where it is the normal thing to do.

Jo said...

I don't think that mainland Europe is a funnel for the Mara Salvatrucha or other violent Latin American gangs, but I could be wrong. I think the comparison of areas as vast as two abutting continents to a densely populated microcosm like Europe is flatly ignorant.

I think a lot of people that fear guns don't realize that it takes a human to operate them. Fear stupid people, not guns.

MattJ said...

Guns don't kill people, people kill people right? You have to agree that the guns help. To be honest, I think using that line is a little beneath you, your other arguments have far more weight about them.

Perhaps I am ignorant of the Latin america issue but to suggest there aren't some serious problems with violent and organised crime in Europe is also a little ignorant don't you think?

Like I say, I certainly don't know a great deal about the problems you describe, but I can't believe that arming everyone is the solution to anything....unless maybe you're engaged in some kind of uprising against a despotic oppressor maybe? Or defending against invaders? And what was the reason before the Latin American gangs?

I can kind of see where you're coming from, but what happens if the Latin American gangs go away? Do the guns go away?

I dunno, like I said earlier, I'll never really understand it, I accept my ignorance on that issue and I do get your frustration in dealing with people like me, the only thing I'd ask is not to use that NRA line on me again, you've got far more intelligent arguments than that.

Jo said...

Oh, Matt. I love this side of you. Piss and vinegar and all!

Now, the line I used isn't the boilerplate NRA line. I specifically said that we should fear "stupid people, not guns."

I also don't agree that we should just arm everyone and let them slug it out. I think that before possessing a weapon (that includes any type of hunting rifle) that the owner needs to go through a gun safety course. Also, pefore purchasing a handgun, the prospective owner should be made to get a CHL (concealed hangun license). What's the point of having a lightweight, portable firearm if you don't have the license to carry it?

All in all, I read a lot about the crime in Britain and in Europe and I think about all the guns that aren't in the hands of the people that could use them; the people that should be able to defend themselves against the illicit weapons of the criminals that mean to harm innocents.

Honestly enough, I come from a very gun-friendly family. I grew up around firearms so I have a different perspective. I'm not afraid of them, and I know how to accurately shoot myriad weapons, and yet I am a consistent believer that they should only be a last resort, and I often criticize those people who have adopted this "shoot first" philosophy that is caked with fear.

The most dangerous thing is a weapon in the hand of someone that is scared and without a legitimate target.

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